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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:36 am 
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No, it doesn't.

This passage, refers to those that die the second death, and are truly, truly dead.

If you only die physically, and are "dead to this world", while still alive in heaven, this can not possibly apply to you.

But, if you die physically, and spiritually, because you did not accept your invitation to heaven, then it applies.

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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:05 am 
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Good Q Bryan and good thoughts Andrey

The context of the passage is people who are full of evil. The metaphor for the Jewish audience was a contrast between planning and work and not able too. As well as the contrast of carnal knowledge and pleasing God. Some have used this passage to teach "soul sleep" that we all go to sleep until the resurrection of all after Christ retunes; however, that is not what this passage teaches nor is this taught anywhere in Scripture (Isa. 14:9; 25:7-9; 26:19; Matt. 22:32; Acts 2:24-35).

Also the Epic of Gilgamesh (Babylonian) contains a section (10.3.6-14) that is very similar to this passage.

Phil. 1:6

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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:39 pm 
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I believe the meaning of verse 5 is found in chapter 12:14, in that the writer believes in a future judgement, so he's not teaching the non-existence of the dead. The context concerns the ability to plan and work. The living at least realize that death must come, but from man's perspective the dead don't understand what their future might bring. The author is not teaching soul-sleep. His emphasis is on the contrast between the fleshly knopwledge of the living and the dead. Don't forget that our knowledge of the hereafter depends on God's revelation to us.
The dead are cut off from life, they know nothing of what occurs in life. Their opportunities in this life are forever gone, and therefore they can have no further reward in living a holy life; nor can they be liable to any further punishment for crimes.
Generally speaking, the dead are no longer remembered, and memorial inscriptions soon become weathered away.
I hope this makes sense to you.

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:12 am 
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Some scriptures (not ideas) about death

Created by god to die?
Jehovah warned us against death (Gen 2:17)
More warnings in an attempt to warn Isreal of a pre mature death (Ezek 18:31)
Then of course John 3:16,36 the hope of everlasting life.

Where are the dead?
Gen 3:19 "In the sweet of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are to dust you will return."

Eccl 9:10 "All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in sheol, the place to which you are going."

Now the big part

What is the condition of the dead?
Ezek 18:4 "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all."

Origional Quote:

"read ecclesiastes 9:5-6, does this mean that no one remembers us when we die?
does this mean that everyone starts over wit a new memory when we go to heaven?"

You asked:
"read ecclestiastes 9:5-6, does this mean that no one remembers us when we die?"

YES!!!! Its that simple

Ps 146:4 "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish"

John 11:11-14 "Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.'...Jesus said to them outspokenly: "Lazarus has died"" (Also see ps 13:3)

Ecc 9:6 "Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun."

Isa 26:14 "They are dead; they will not live. Important in death, they will not rise up."

Once you die you are dead and you have no more memorys. THink about that, Do you think you are going to remeber what is was to sin?

There is a scripture in the gospels, I cant find it right now, but it says that women wont be given to man anymore. The Seducees asked jesus this question:

If a man has a wife and he dies without having a child and the women is given to another man and this repeats 7 times, after the resurection which man will have her?

Jesus replyed that they neither knew the scriptures nor the power of god.

If you want to believe you go to heaven go ahead. If you want to believe you get resurected on earth go ahead. I Personnally believe there are two bodies, One for hevenly jeruselum and one for earthly jeruselum.

Heres a question
If adam had not sinned, would he have ended up going to heaven?

Answer that anybody


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